personal use. particularly in 2009, she had march and april rent payments that were made out, checks made out to a guy named brent basher, her landlord and those, we have learned, were rent payments and she called them expense reimbursements. that is just one example of the many, many expenses ms. o'donnell claimed to be campaign expenses but were really just expenses of her lifestyle, that she had no other income so she was treating her campaign account like it was her personal piggy bank. >> and this happened in 2009? >> 2009 and 2010. >> okay. >> ms. o'donnell had really no oversight. there was no campaign treasurer, as the law requires, for over a year and a half. so she had a wachovia bank card that wind out when other people would use their debit card. >> who do you have sworn statements from that will back up this allegation? we have a sworn statement from david keegan, a former campaign staffer for ms. o'donnell back in 2008. and in addition, there was another person, a campaign man, who ma